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* Self-Transcendence (Nyack NY) 8/24 -- I don't know anyone who has done this one.<br><br>
* Baltimore 10/13 -- I know quite a few people who have done this one, but not one person who really likes it very much. No specific reason, just kind of a "blah" race. I'll be running Hartford on this day.<br><br>
* Marine Corps 10/28 -- done it. Once. Never again. Too many other better choices unless you really get psyched by it (and it doesn't sound like you do).<br><br>
* Marshall University 11/4 -- done this one. It is flat for WV, but it is not completely pancake flat. You end in the football stadium and get to carry a ball down the field to the finish line in the far endzone. If you know the history of Marshall's team and/or saw "We Are Marshall", this is WAAAY cool. I like this race a lot. Medium chance I will run it this year. There's a marathon this same weekend (but on Saturday) in Wynne Arkansas. Nice, semi-hilly course. Very fun race.<br><br>
* Richmond 11/10 -- "also looks to have some hills but right now I'm leaning toward it. Close in location and looks very well-organized." It is supremely well-organized, plus this is a special anniversary year for the race. The hills are really not that bad... not at all. Nice downhill finish. I will be at this race. Someone else mentioned Harrisburg... a little flatter... I'll be at that race too.<br><br>
* Philly 11/18 -- "didn't love the course or organization, but I love the city of Philly and did well in last year's race." If you didn't love it, I would only suggest it IF the logistics are simple for you. Otherwise, pick another one and experience something new <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">. That said, all my friends like Philly. I haven't done it and won't this year.<br><br>
* Kiawah Island SC 12/8 -- "has been recommended by a few people except there are few spectators. I don't think this would bother me as I pretty much ignore spectators unless they are someone I know." The biggest thing to consider about this race, aside from a fairly boring double loop course, is WIND. It can be really WINDY. Also, the organizerRDdude is quirky... registration is only open for a small window, and my friends who have emailed him about getting in always get really weird responses. I won't be running it... I'll run Rocket City and Dallas White Rock on this weekend. I don't know how far Huntsville Alabama is for you, but Rocket City is considered a fast course. I liked it ok. The city isn't really pretty during brown-dead-winter, but the race is well supported. It's "flat", but that means "flat for the area". A few rollers, about like Richmond.<br><br>
SGH, email me if you want to talk about other choices (same name as here at hotmail).
 

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MUM is flatter than Columbus (which is NOT pancake flat, but "pretty flat"<img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif">.<br><br>
Columbus is flatter than Richmond (which is not flat, but has flat parts).<br><br>
Richmond is flatter than Lakefront (which is not flat at all... they have an elevation chart on their site: <a href="http://www.badgerlandstriders.org/lakefront/pages/elevation.asp" target="_blank">http://www.badgerlandstriders.org/la.../elevation.asp</a>)<br><br>
A quick glance at Lakefront's chart may cause you to think it is a downhill course. It is, overall, but really it is roly poly. HOWEVER, there is a lot of downhill and flat in the last miles, and that can help a lot when you are tired.<br><br>
All of these are great choices. If I can say this... perhaps you are trying too hard to find the perfect course? Because you can find the best course possible... if the weather doesn't cooperate on race day, it won't matter so much.<br><br>
All are good, "fast" courses. Go with whichever one will cause you lowest stress.
 

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The plusses of Twin Cities are the spectator support (PHENOMENAL) and the org. However, this race is quite big, so what you want to do is run a not-slow half somewhere (it used to be 1:45 for men, I don't know about women... look it up) and then you can start close to the front. Otherwise, it may take you a few miles to get to a nice pace.<br><br>
BUT.<br><br>
You seem to be very very concerned about having a "fast" course.<br><br>
Twin Cities ain't it. It's a pretty hard course because there is a big time hill in the mid-20s.<br><br>
Twin Cities is one of my all-time favs and it is fun. And you *can* run it fast.<br><br>
But faster than Steamtown, Columbus, or MUM? Oh, heavens no.
 
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