[gatorbob]

<p>Okay, I don't really think that Jeter will sign elsewhere.  But things <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5843151" target="_blank">are looking a little ugly</a> between the two sides. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>This is a very unique case.  The Jeter "brand" is basically synonymous with the Yankees now.  But his worth as a player isn't nearly what it used to be.  The Yankees have supposedly offered him a 3-year $45M contract.  For a 37 year old shortstop with his numbers, that's more than fair.  But supposedly he's looking for at least 4 years (maybe up to 6 years) at $20M per. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>So which side needs the other more?  I'd argue that Jeter needs the Yanks more than they need him.  The Yanks let Bernie Williams disappear a while back.  Some fans were upset for a while, but they got over it.  Sure, Jeter is more iconic than Williams was.  But Yankee fans will get over this too -- as long as the team wins. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>On the other hand, I don't think Jeter has too much to gain from leaving.  It'll be weird to see him on some random team like the Tigers or the Rays or something.  I doubt it'll harm his long-term Yankee legacy.  I mean, who remembers that Joe Namath ended his career on the Rams or OJ Simpson ended on the 49ers or Willie Mays ended on the Mets or Hank Aaron ended on the Brewers or Babe Ruth ended on the Boston Braves? </p>
<p> </p>
<p>I'm a Red Sox fan, and I don't know what I'm rooting for.  I think it would be funny if Jeter spends the next few years toiling away for some crappy team somewhere.  But I also like the idea of the Yanks caving in and offering him some rediculous contract so that he clogs up a roster spot for a long time, long after his ability has completely faded away.  I suppose I'm rooting for the former, becuase if the latter ever does happen, the Yanks could just eat the rest of his contract and go out and sign someone more useful anyway...</p>
<p> </p>
<p>My guess is that Jeter is the one who caves, at least somewhat, and takes an offer fairly close to that 3-year $45M deal.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Anyone have any thoughts or predictions? </p>

 

[runfishhunt]

<p>I despise the Yanks but like Jeter.  He should quit being so damn greedy and keep his NY legacy alive.</p>

 

[jcumming]

<p>Hank Steinbrenner had it correct.."We have made these guys very very rich and our offer is more than fair."</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Derek Jeter is worth about $4 million next year and they've offered $15 million. I hope he isn't terribly insulted by that.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>BTW Bob, I remembered where all those players ended their careers plus Wayne Gretzky ended as a New York Ranger.</p>
<p> </p>

 

[the kenyan]

<p><img alt="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3FFmuuuSqLw/TOz1Of87EqI/AAAAAAAAGt8/nAnoYiiyDAQ/s1600/6a00e54f7fc4c5883301156f84e9c5970c-400wi.jpg" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3FFmuuuSqLw/TOz1Of87EqI/AAAAAAAAGt8/nAnoYiiyDAQ/s1600/6a00e54f7fc4c5883301156f84e9c5970c-400wi.jpg" style=""></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>quack quack</p>

 

[gatorbob]

<p><br>
Yeesh.  I do not need to see Jeter on the Sox.  Not for the price that would be necessary to obtain him.  Yeah, it would needle Yankee fans to see him in a Sox uniform.  But they'll get over it pretty quickly if he hits .210 for the Sox...<br>
 </p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>jcumming</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/71321/derek-jeter-formally-of-the-new-york-yankees#post_1964937"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><p> </p>
<p>BTW Bob, I remembered where all those players ended their careers plus Wayne Gretzky ended as a New York Ranger.</p>
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<p><br>
Wow, you remember Babe Ruth on the Boston Braves??  That was 1935!  I wouldn't've thought you were old enough to remember that!  <span><img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;"></span></p>
<p><br>
 </p>

 

[the kenyan]

<p>YESYESYES! If that played out I'd be willing to call it even after the bambino business.  But only if Steinbrenner uses the money in the trade to finance a broadway musical as well. </p>

 

[gatorbob]

<p>Let's see...  Off the top of my head, here are some more iconic players who finished their careers in locations that most people probably forgot about:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Wade Boggs, Tampa Bay Devil Rays</p>
<p>Steve Carlton, Minnesota Twins (I think. He bounced around quite a bit at the end)</p>
<p>Joe Montana,Kansas City Chiefs</p>
<p>Jerry Rice, Seattle Seahawks</p>
<p>Reggie White, Carolina Panthers</p>
<p>Emmitt Smith, Arizona Cardinals</p>
<p>Johnny Unitas, San Diego Chargers</p>
<p>Mark Messier, Vancouver Canucks</p>
<p>Ray Borque, Colorado Avalanche</p>
<p>Patrick Ewing, Orlando Magic</p>
<p>Hakeen Olajuwon, Toronto Raptors</p>
<p>Michael Jordan, Washington Wizards</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I'm sure most people probably remember MJ on the Wizards, but that one was still kinda strange anyway...</p>

 

[gatorbob]

<p>A couple more baseball players I thought of...</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Ty Cobb, Philadelphia As</p>
<p>Roger Maris, St Louis Cardinals</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I'm sure there a million more examples, especially if you allow "iconic" to have a very loose definition...</p>

 

[RandMart]

<p>That Gretzky played with the Rangers [+ Messier] doesn't bother me ... the he played for St. Louis <em>is</em> distrurbing, however</p>
<p> </p>
<p>This one STILL hurts</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63774/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="one_orr05.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15105" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15105/width/332/height/370" style="; width: 332px; height: 370px"></a></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>This one is <em>ALMOST</em> as painful</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63777/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="Phil+Esposito.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15106" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15106/width/318/height/400" style="; width: 318px; height: 400px"></a></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>... but <em>THIS one</em>, just makes me laugh!!!</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63780/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="Lindros%20Dallas%20(blog).jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15107" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15107/width/288/height/432" style="; width: 288px; height: 432px"></a></p>

 

[gatorbob]

<p>Oh, you wanted photos...</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mays:</p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63787/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="williemays-mets.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15109" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15109/width/283/height/300" style="; width: 283px; height: 300px"></a></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Olajuwon:</p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63785/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="hakeemolajuwon-raptors.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15108" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15108/width/240/height/300" style="; width: 240px; height: 300px"></a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>Namath:</p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63789/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="joenamath-rams.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15110" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15110/width/220/height/300" style="; width: 220px; height: 300px"></a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>Rice:</p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63793/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="41tOfYpJ9XL._SL500_AA300_.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15112" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15112/width/300/height/300" style="; width: 300px; height: 300px"></a></p>
<p>Ruth:</p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63795/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="8c3ac6b88b9aead706b2528571b68992_four_column.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15113" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15113/width/344/height/500" style="; width: 344px; height: 500px"></a></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>This one doesn't quite count becuase he didn't play for the Senators.  (Just managed them).  But it's still weird to see Ted Williams in something other than a Red Sox uniform:</p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63798/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="0317_large.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15114" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15114/width/384/height/500" style="; width: 384px; height: 500px"></a></p>

 

[bap]

<p>I guess you mean "formerly" <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"></p>
<p> </p>
<p>A few years ago the NY Times published an article suggesting he was overpaid. His salary was $22 million. At the time the next highest paid short stop was Nomaaaah Gaaahciahpaarah*, who was on $8 million.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><span style="font-size:9px;">*My written attempt at a Boston accent.</span></p>

 

[hazelrah]

<p>Who was that quarterback that played for the Packers a few years back, you never hear about him anymore , Brent somebody ?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>For Jeter, no one else will even come close to the Yankees offer, he needs to take it or take much less from someone else. The only reason someone else might be willing to overpay for him is he would have more draw at the gate then a lesser known player with similar abilities and production. I would also expect his numbers to drop off being out of Yankee stadium and not having Texiera and A-Rod hitting behind him.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The Yankees are about to WAY overpay for Cliff Lee (7 years for a 31 year old pitcher with back problems who lost 2 games in the WS, to put a negative spin on it), but I do not know where their spending limits are if they have any. Does that effect what they will offer Jeter ? They owe him nothing IMHO, he served them well over the years, and they compensated him well during that period. That is in the past.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>My prediction is the Yankees come up a little bit to be nice & as a PR move (to allow Jeter a chance to accept without it looking like he caved) and he sanely stays put. If not , what team would grossly over pay for a player that will not produce nearly what they are paying him ? A team with no baseball sense ?</p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63817/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="ny-mets.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15115" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15115/width/400/height/300" style="; width: 400px; height: 300px"></a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>He won't be a Tiger, they just signed Peralta to a big contract last month.</p>

 

[hazelrah]

<p>Oh and how could I have forgotten, Mr. Detroit Red Wing himself :</p>
<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/63820/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="MikeModanoRedWings.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="15116" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/15116/width/470/height/436" style="; width: 470px; height: 436px"></a></p>

 

[jcumming]

<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>GatorBob</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/71321/derek-jeter-formally-of-the-new-york-yankees#post_1964951"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p><br>
Wow, you remember Babe Ruth on the Boston Braves??  That was 1935!  I wouldn't've thought you were old enough to remember that!  <span><img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;"></span></p>
<p><br>
 </p>
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</div>
<p><br>
Bob, here's one you probably don't remember. I was just a kid...July 11, 1914.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Providence vs Toronto at the Hanlan's Point Stadium on Toronto Island. A kid named George Ruth, just a babe at the time, smacked a 3 run homer.</p>
<p>His one and only minor league home run. After all he was a pitcher.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I caught the ball...they made me give it back. I think it was the only one they had.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>BTW...I would have gotten almost every one of that second list of yours wrong. Short term memory probs you know!<br>
 </p>

 

[gatorbob]

<p> </p>
<div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>bap</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/71321/derek-jeter-formerly-of-the-new-york-yankees#post_1965010"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I guess you mean "formerly" <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"></p>
<p> </p>
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<p> </p>
<p> Heh, yeah.  I didn't even notice that I wrote it like that.  I went back and fixed it.  <span><img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif" style="width:16px;height:16px;"></span></p>

 

[rnrlowe]

<p>Montana was smart enough to retire after he wasn't able to lead to Chiefs to the AFC Championship. That makes him 10 games smarter than Farve.</p>

 

[duckgeek]

<p>Jeter, just sign and quit'cher'bitchin.  Detroit is the only other logical place because it's "home" (though we folks from Kalamazoo are pretty split between the Tigers, White Sox and Cubbies.)</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I hope he doesn't become a coach or GM who thinks he should be paid like a player.</p>

 

[Clg311]

<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>jcumming</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/71321/derek-jeter-formerly-of-the-new-york-yankees#post_1964937"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Hank Steinbrenner had it correct.."We have made these guys very very rich and our offer is more than fair."</p>
<p> </p>
<br><p> </p>
</div>
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<p><br>
  And it was the taxpayers of New York who paid for the last two Yankees Stadiums who made Hank rich, along with the fans who pay for the overpriced tickets.</p>

 

[bap]

<p>Derek Jeter? He's got an Edge!</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I hate that commercial. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Love this one though.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3B1MG2HKdA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3B1MG2HKdA</a></p>

 

[Xavier Dan Q]

<p>Bob Cousy player coach Cincinnati Royals</p>