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<p>Hi all, I'm in need of some advice from the great PRT recruitment and IT experts.</p>
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<p>Ok, work stinks at the moment.  I'm working far to much and not only am I not even being thanked I'm made to feel guilty about not working even more... I'm giving up weekends of my time and being insulted for it and then being blamed for the project being behind (bear in mind I am the youngest and most inexperienced member of the team by about 15 years!).  Needless to say it's taking it's toll on me personally.</p>
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<p>Anyway vent over, short story I'm looking around to see if there are any other opportunities out there.  I've got a lead and want to send a CV, not a full application, not an interview, not a walk out just a cv to see if there are any bites.</p>
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<p>Questions:</p>
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<ul><li>Should I put my current employers on?  I have put "I can provide references" but I don't want my boss to be contacted until I know something either way, I really don't want to rock the boat anymore.</li>
<li>Should I mention my recent projects and clients or do I keep it vague... "a major bank", "a piece of call centre software"?</li>
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<p>Thanks in advance for your help!</p>
 

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<p>Never supply references.  Always put "References available on request".</p>
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Put your employer's name on there.  They won't go fishing for your information.</p>
 

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<p>That's kind of what I was thinking, if they were to go behind my back it would ruin all chances I'd work for them!</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Grizzly</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70237/cv-advice#post_1947362"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Never supply references.  Always put "References available on request".</p>
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Put your employer's name on there.  They won't go fishing for your information.</p>
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<p>YESYESYES!</p>
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<p>Many people suggest that you forget about adding the phrase "references available on request" because it takes up valuable resume real estate with meaningless clutter. If you're looking for a job people are going to assume that you have references lined up because they are going to ask for them if they're interested in you.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>liath</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70237/cv-advice#post_1947344"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><ul><li>Should I put my current employers on?  I have put "I can provide references" but I don't want my boss to be contacted until I know something either way, I really don't want to rock the boat anymore.</li>
<li>Should I mention my recent projects and clients or do I keep it vague... "a major bank", "a piece of call centre software"?</li>
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<p>When I am looking at CV's- I definitely want to see the company the developer is working for. Why? It tells me more about fit in my organization- if they come from a company that I know is much larger or complex, they might not be as good a fit as a startup or web shop comparable in size to mine. Put the name of the company- We recognize that you might not want us to make calls without asking you first - although that happened once- BUT it was 1) a company I worked at 4 years earlier as opposed to my current company and 2) They had a personal connection anyways- so it was less like "Yes, Mr.President - What can you tell me about the Peanut?" and more "Hey Jim- you used to work with Horrible? Is he alright?"</p>
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<p>In terms of recent projects- I like to see examples, so I'd name names of recent projects. One developer I just interviewed yesterday had a laundry list of projects on his cv he worked on which I really liked because I saw he had specific experience in a particular sector and industry.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>satfix</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70237/cv-advice#post_1947529"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>What's a "CV"?</p>
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<p>(hey, I'm in sales - I got no clue!)</p>
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Stands for Cirriculum Vitae.</p>
<p>It's the British word for Resume.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>muzicgrl</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70237/cv-advice#post_1947462"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Are you writing a resume or a CV...they are different.</p>
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<p>I use them interchangeably.</p>
<p>So do most people.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Horrible Peanut</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70237/cv-advice#post_1947534"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>I use them interchangeably.</p>
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I think in the U.S. a CV is usually longer & more detailed than a resume and is mostly used in academic, scientific, and/or research circles.  Given MG's profession, I suspect this is the distinction that she is making.  My understanding is that in the rest of the English-speaking world (and other places too) a CV = a resume.  Just my 2¢.  Nothing relevent to add for Liath's original Q.  Good advice given.  Good luck!<br>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Sputnik</strong> <a href="/forum/thread/70237/cv-advice#post_1947558"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><p><br>
I think in the U.S. a CV is usually longer & more detailed than a resume and is mostly used in academic, scientific, and/or research circles.  Given MG's profession, I suspect this is the distinction that she is making.  My understanding is that in the rest of the English-speaking world (and other places too) a CV = a resume.  Just my 2¢.  Nothing relevent to add for Liath's original Q.  Good advice given.  Good luck!<br>
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  The US C.V. is generally a complete summary of your professional career. Academic C.V.'s in particular will include a complete list of publications, invited talks and other major presentations, awards and honors received, etc.</p>
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<p>  A resume is a <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>targeted</strong></span> document designed and intended to get you an interview. You still need a complete listing of your previous positions, for example, but you highlight your experiences that are relevant to the job for which you are applying.</p>
 

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<p>Hey Liath good to see you here.  I was wondering how you were doing.  I guess all those weekends working are messing with your hiking/climbing efforts.</p>
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<p>Sorry the job sucks.  I support Grizz/Peanut's advice.  You need to include the current employer to demonstrate you are employed presently and what your most current experience is.  You will also need to come up with a good answer to the question "Why do you want to leave" in case its asked.</p>
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<p>Good luck.</p>
 

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I think he's already got a good answer. "The lazy **nts dole everything on to me, and don't fucking appreciate my brilliance!"</p>
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<p>That'll go over well- especially the colorful language!</p>
 

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<p>Thanks for all the support and advice guys, it's really appreciated!!! <img alt="" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif" title=""></p>
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<p>Here goes nothing...</p>
 

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<p>Agatha, come to us on interview advice too.  We're good at that.</p>
 
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