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The question of commitment is a subtlety that went right by me in round 5of the VRAA. It may be obvious to everyone else but it required some thought for me to finally get it.<br><br>
When you sign up for the VRAA, you indicate a level of future performance. But which level should you pick? Teams in the VRAA are assigned based on your projection. So, picking a level that is too low isn't right as that affects the competitive balance and seems dishonest ("sandbagging"<img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif">. On the other hand, your team is counting on you to perform at, and probably above, at the level to which you said you would perform ("commitment"<img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif">.<br><br>
Each level has its own range. For example, the BA In Training range is 0-15 miles per week, while Mega is from 50-70 miles a week. So, if you say you are Mega, you are committing to 50-70 miles a week. Since anything above 50 miles meets your commitment, your commitment, in my view is 50 miles.<br><br>
Here then are the commitment levels, again in my view, based on each level. When I say 2.14 miles per day for Bad, that 2.14 miles a day for 31 days. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"><br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Miles</span><br>
BAIT - 0 miles per day<br>
Bad - 2.14 miles per day.<br>
Super - 4.29 miles per day<br>
Mega - 7.14 miles per day<br>
Titanium - 10 miles per day.<br><br>
Roots is quite correct that it is easy to underestimate the effect of other activities that will score you points. So, mileage is somewhat misleading. It's really mileage equivalents, as expressed in points. Here's the same table but expressed in points.<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Points</span><br>
BAIT - 0 points per day<br>
Bad - 8.57 points per day<br>
Super - 17.14 points per day<br>
Mega - 28.57 points per day<br>
Titanium - 40 points per day<br><br>
Of course, you can't score fractional points, so these point totals will only be averages.<br><br>
Last, KR is a friendly place and those unwilling to make a commitment it would seem are still welcome to play. If you aren't willing to commit, sign up as BA In Training. "...you're really busy right now, or you're crosstraining through an injury. We love you for who you are and respect you for what you do."<br><br>
For what it's worth,<br>
Billy
 

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Well said, Billy. I hope everyone sticks to this mentality.<br><br>
I remember reading a team's thread last round which made me very sad.<br><br>
Some people apparently weren't doing the mileage they had signed up for. And for that they were being called on it, and basically the whole thread turned into a pileon/notme/itshim! thread.<br><br>
I do know that at least one of the people who weren't doing the mileage were injured, and did other things to compensate in order to get points. Yikes. I hope they didn't pay for it with their health. If you are hurt you should not be guilted into performing because that just isn't right.<br><br>
This is just game. Last time I was on a GREAT supportive team. Hahaoya was a motivating team captain!!<br><br>
I want no part of a team that gets ugly like it did in that thread last round.
 

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I hope you're not talking about the team I was on. <img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif">
 

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In other words don't sign up if you're going to pussy out half way through and fuck over the rest of your teammates.<br><br><img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">
 

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Thank you, Billy. What an astute analysis of the game. I too hope everyone dilligently selects their proper level of badassery.<br><br>
Teams get drawn to the best of our ability and the game plays out as it does. There are going to winners and losers. The best we can hope is that everyone does the best they can to estimate.<br><br>
Another guiding force in this game is that it is played under an honor system. The VRAA prides itself on a simple system, one where players of all abilities are able to play together and against each other. I am aware that any number of players can or do inflate their reported point totals. It's not fair, but it's naive for me to think it does not happen. It happens.<br><br>
But the nature of this game is based on an honor code. A code that has worked well for the purpose of this game. IMHO, and in the larger picture, the VRAA motivates me personally to attain higher heights for myself. It's never about more miles, for me it's about those extra 10 minutes (2 whole points) of core or weights that the game inspires me to endure.<br><br>
Great points, all. Thanks for stepping up to discuss.
 

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Hearing about this makes me feel awful. Team encouragement should not be a finger pointing episode.<br><br>
It is my sincerest intent that this kind of team experience, in my view, is far out of the norm and is not what the VRAA is all about. I have been on my share of last place teams, and I know how it feels to be shorthanded. It sucks.<br><br>
Blame the management for the last round. Most VRAA games last about 30 days. The last round lasted a whopping 46 days (a 50% increase). With 3 teams in the race for the top until the final week, that was the best race we had yet. Conversely, because of the lengthy game duration, lower placed teams had to endure the bottom spot for that much longer. I know it wasn't fun for them.<br><br>
We will file this as a lesson learned an keep an future eye out to avoid a similar team situation.
 

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My experience in the VRAA (I've done three, been on the winning team two times) has been uniformly pleasant. I have never been called out and have not called out others. I have had enjoyable experiences posting my workouts, whether they were good or bad, high or low, I believe the response from participants is largely positive and encouraging. There may be some ribbing, but that may also be between people that are at a comfort level with each other where it's okay to do that stuff.<br><br>
In any event, if you're thinking about joining the VRAA but are now hesitating because you feel like you may get criticized or called out, etc., please join. This is a good place and I'm confident you'll like it.
 

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A good team captain knows what each team member needs: I for one respond well to being called on the table, ridicule and mockery. I do not need a huggy understanding team captain - I need an asshole - You know someone like Antag <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
When I wuss out on doing core and come up with some bullshit excuse - Its not "OK" Its bad enough that I fail my team, but please do not let me fail myself.<br><br>
Now if someone is injured - A little slack has to be given - but they are not off the hook entirely.<br><br>
Just one Flounders thoughts
 

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I do think it works best if you let you team mates know right away how best to encourage you.<br><br>
I ask for harsh treatment - but few have been able to step up to the plate and deliver.
 

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OK, what the hell. <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
My 2 cents and I reserve the right to change my opinion later...<br><br>
You know if you have the balls to sign up as a super bad ass and after 4 weeks you haven't even managed close to a weeks worth of points and <i>don't</i> report in as injured... or even post and say, damn, I'm sorry I laid down on you guys... if you aren't called out by your <i>teammates</i>, I think you should be.<br><br>
A Badass in Training can turn in nothing, but otherwise... come on, you stepped up and labeled yourself, so step up!<br><br>
Sorry if that ruffles up the intended pixie dust generating quotient of this thing, I do fully understand and appreciate and <i>enjoy the hell</i> out of the spirit of what this is really all about, but if it wasn't at least about <i>some kind of competition</i> we would not have <b>teams</b> and declare an eventual winner.<br><br>
In that spirit, as ugly as it is, there will be a few assholes here who will be disappointed if you <i>bail out</i> on <b>your team</b>. Even if you aren't earning points, be in the thread participating and encouraging your team mates.<br><br>
So, yeah, please sign me up as another who wants to be on Antags team. <img alt="notworthy.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/notworthy.gif"><img alt="lol.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/lol.gif">
 

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Riffing on what fatmantrying said...<br><br>
The <i>form</i> of the VRAA really has less to do with running and exercise. In form, it is a bunch of messages posted to an electronic bulletin board. In form, it is communication.<br><br>
This is another subtlety: Being non-communicative is not an option. Part of your commitment to the game and to your team is a commitment to communicate.
 

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You haven't been one of my team members before, maggot!<br><br>
Now drop and give me 20!!!<br><br><img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
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Dude. Because if tricia was talking about my team above, my main issue was the lack of communication I would get from some team members. If you have no plans in actually logging in to KR during the VRAA, then, uh, don't sign up.
 

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Yes. It seems simple enough. We all should talk (and talk some more) to our teammates. I think it's easy to miss. Why, I don't know. But it is.
 

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I'd take fatmantrying on my team again any day. Well said.
 

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Can I be on Flounder's team? I want to dole out some harsh discipline! <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif">
 

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I've always looked at VRAA as a way to encourage people to get out there and raise their game. Sure, it's nice to win, but if you did more whatevers (run, cycle, swim, etc) than you would have done without VRAA then you were a winner. The only time I was on a winning team I was a wuss about everything. I really shouldn't have joined that time. But every time since then I've felt good about my personal results and good about the overall team spirit, but we haven't won or even come close since that first one. So what? Is this really about results or is it about the process?
 

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Both. Seriously, if you check any of my race times, I'm obviously not out there for glory, but I do think it's a complete cop out if someone signs up and then doesn't actually participate. If someone is injured or life happens, then fine, cool beans, but don't just show up once a month with one day of sporadic reporting not to be seen again for yet another month. Tell someone something that's all I'm sayin'.
 

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Agreed. It was the length of the game last time that turned the inevitable-but-fleeting unpleasentness of being on one of the (inevitably) lagging teams into something more like torture. And that was a management issue -- my decision, unilaterally.<br><br>
The VRAA should not drag on as long as it did. It was marathon season, and I was trying to be accomodating and include everybody's Big Fall Goal Race in the schedule, but the lesson is pretty clear: keep it long enough to be dramatic for the teams in the mix, but short enough to keep it from being a slog for those that aren't.
 

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I still love you.
 
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