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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>kerfwango</strong> <a href="/forum/post/1788022"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">Sounds like a recipe for uneven enforcement.</div>
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true.<br><br>
It's going to make cops more likely to pull over more expensive cars.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">So how does the local Barney Fife down at the ticket-issuing authority determine "wealth"?<br>
The IRS doesn't even do that, with the exception of the estate tax calculation for deceased individuals with estates worth more than $3.5M.</div>
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They could base the fine on the value of the car on the day/mileage that it's pulled over.
 

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Vehicle value as a proxy for wealth has some problems......... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy"><br><br><br><i>Thomas J. Stanley and William D. Danko emphasized car choice in their book, “</i><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/yourmoney/chi-0612160245dec17,0,2224752.story?track=mostemailedlink" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0060C4;"><i>The Millionaire Next Door</i></span></a><i>” and as Gregory Karp wrote in the Chicago Tribune to commemorate its 10th anniversary of publication late last year.</i><br><br><i>He writes, “They don’t drive away wealth. The No. 1 make of car owned by millionaires in 1996 was Ford. Today, it’s Toyota, according to Stanley’s new study. Luxury brands do not top the list, and many millionaires, 37 percent in 1996, bought used cars. Stanley’s research shows high-priced cars seem to be wealth-repellant.”</i>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Vehicle value as a proxy for wealth has some problems......... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy"><br><br><br><i>Thomas J. Stanley and William D. Danko emphasized car choice in their book, “</i><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/yourmoney/chi-0612160245dec17,0,2224752.story?track=mostemailedlink" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0060C4;"><i>The Millionaire Next Door</i></span></a><i>” and as Gregory Karp wrote in the Chicago Tribune to commemorate its 10th anniversary of publication late last year.</i><br><br><i>He writes, “They don’t drive away wealth. The No. 1 make of car owned by millionaires in 1996 was Ford. Today, it’s Toyota, according to Stanley’s new study. Luxury brands do not top the list, and many millionaires, 37 percent in 1996, bought used cars. Stanley’s research shows high-priced cars seem to be wealth-repellant.”</i></div>
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The millionaires who drive Toyotas probably aren't the ones doing 125mph in a 60mph zone either.<br><br>
And not just because the Toyota's governor is set to 100mph.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">true.<br><br>
It's going to make cops more likely to pull over more expensive cars.</div>
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Assuming they pull you over to give you the fine. Here, the vast majority of fines are not given by pulling anyone over - we have a lot of fixed speed cameras, and contractors that park by the roadside with an automated camera thingy on the front of their car. They don't chase you down. They take a happy snap of your number plate and the fine comes in the mail. There's no way for the camera to know the make of car.<br><br>
We do have cops with radars who can chase you down, but I would say fines given out that way are a minority. You'd have to be going pretty damn fast before they'd chase you down, too.<br><br>
Weird, too, that it works against you for insurance. The insurance company here wouldn't know if you'd had a ticket - just if you make a claim. The company I'm with gives rating 1 for life, so my premium isn't even meant to go up if I make a claim. (Fortunately, I haven't had to test that theory.)<br><br>
I'm with AdCo - I'm not sure it's right, but I can see the reasoning. I can see how fines given as a percentage of your income or something could be seen as fair and could act as a greater deterrent.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It's going to make cops more likely to pull over more expensive cars.<br><br>
They could base the fine on the value of the car on the day/mileage that it's pulled over.</div>
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If they do that, I can take my old beater and speed all I want. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile">
 

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My neighbor had a $60K BMW and his wife drove a Jaguar until they were both repossesed (around the same time they had their home foreclosed on.)<br><br>
Their lifestyle was all borrowed and when the construction industry hit a down-turn a couple years back, their company and household was bankrupt within months of the start of the decline.<br><br>
This household had zero "wealth" so ticketing them on the basis of car value would have constituted ticketing people on their level of consumer debt.<br><br>
Now that's not a bad idea IMO..........<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy">
 

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In criminal cases in the US a judge cannot impose a higher fee for a penalty.<br><br>
In civil cases in the US, a judge may base their judgement assets may be a factor in a decision.
 
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