Can I get a "woot woot" for Thursday?

praecipua · Nov 10, 2011

Bueller? Bueller?

gatorbob · Nov 10, 2011

I never get tired of the "Bueller Bueller" thing. That might be one of those things that you need to be of a certain age to appreciate it. For those of us in our 30s or 40s, we instantly know what that reference is. But would a teenager today know what that means? Kinda like "Look kids: Big Pen, Parliament". Like "Bueller Bueller", that one is easy to utilize in day-to-day life. All you need to do is circle past something again, and the phrase becomes relevant. And someone our age will probably get the reference. but people much older or much younger probably won't. The A-2-D thing that we've often used before (which comes from "Home Alone") is another one. 
 
Maybe this makes a good/stupid QOD:
 
QOD: Name some 80s phrases that can be applicable to day-to-day life today where only people approximately our age would get the reference...

KP · Nov 10, 2011

boB - I can tell you from personal experience that 18-22 year olds for the most part do not get "Bueller, Bueller?" at all along with many, if not all, of the lines like that. I mention 'em and I get nothing but blank stares. They get pissed though when I don't recognize lines from movies in the last decade (movies I might add that I don't even recognize the name of). The worst was when I made a reference to "Hoosiers" one time and the kid looked back at me and asked "What's that about?" I just shook my head.
 
QOD: "It's social, demented and sad, but social" - The Breakfast Club

gatorbob · Nov 10, 2011

Other stuff...
 
I didn't exercise yesterday. I felt that I could use a day off. Instead I went out and bought Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, although I didn't play it yet. I was never really into war games for my XBox (I always preferred sports games), but a friend loaned me MW2 a while back and I thought it was pretty cool. And since a bunch of guys at work were gonna be buying MW3, I figured I'd jump in the bandwagon and get into some online games...
 
I'll run today. Dunno how much. Probably not too much, if I got another 5k race this weekend. Eventually I gotta pass on the 5ks and start spending my weekends running long. 
 
Changing the subject... Geez, the Joe Paterno/Penn State story is all over everywhere. I was never a Penn St fan, but I couldn't help but admire Paterno all these years. Until now. Sure, he didn't do anything illegal. But it's really unbelievable that he could hear news that one of his assistant coaches is a pedophile, and still allow that man to bring little boys to the school without thoroughly investigating and disproving the claims. Not just specifically Paterno; I don't know how anybody could do that with a clear conscience...

Auntie Moe · Nov 10, 2011

morning peeps!
 
I am FEELING GOOD! Yah! Still a bit of congestion and I'm tired but no chest tightness and my voice is probably 70%. Thank goodness, since I'm presenting tonight at a professional meeting. (Very mind this is the first time I've ever presented and I'm kinda scared sh!teless. Not have a voice on top of that was just setting me over the edge.)
 
QOD: My very favorite line, "Who invented liquid soap and why?" no one ever gets (The Sure Thing). 
 
However, just from Sixteen Candles alone: "girl's underpants", "Jake! JAKE!", "my new style American girlfriend", and "ya, maaweed...geesh!"
 
Better off Dead: "What a shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that." and "I WANT MY TWO DOLLARS!"
 
Also from The Sure Thing (yes, you are sensing a theme, I <3 John Cusack): "Eliot? you can't name your kid Eliot. Eliot's a fat kid who eats paste."
 
Say Anything: "I gave her my heart and she gave me a pen."

Runninlaw · Nov 10, 2011

Morning 30s friends.
 
I ran 6 easy peasy miles this morning. We got SNOW yesterday and it was slick in a couple spots, but I have to admit I love running in 30 degree temps. 
 
Man, I love the Breakfast Club. Haven't watched it in years.....
 
JoePa - I am glad they tossed him out personally. The more and more I think about it, it is completely inexcusable that he did nothing. I have tried to rationalize it, tried to understand how he could leave it alone, but I just can't wrap my head around it. I am a coach. Obviously nothing like JoePa - I coach a small program. But if someone told me something sexually inappropriate happened with a girl at my site, there is no way in hell I would simply report it to the executive director and then forget about it and continue to work with the coach accused of inappropriateness as though nothing happened. Never. He didn't look into it b/c he didn't want his precious program tainted. That is not someone who cares about kids. I don't know what that is. But turning your back to child abuse is wrong. 
 
The other thing that is really bothering me now is the graduate assistant - now defensive coach that actually witnessed the rape. Yup, he told JoePa, but then he too continued on with the program and Sandusky all these years. He is still there and no one is saying it is wrong. HELLO. If I freaking SAW that, there is no way I'd be able to silently continue on with the program. IMHO, every last one of them needs to go. 
 
Oh, and I feel horrible for the kids that are at Penn State playing athletics - particularly the football team. They all worked really hard to get there. There is no way this is not going to hurt them too.

Brandy · Nov 10, 2011

morning
7 miles last night. I am TIRED lately. sigh
 
re: penn state. I think that anybody witnessing or knowing of any abuse or possible abuse should feel a strong need to do something about it. I have heard some comments about how he did the appropriate chain of command BS but still if that didn't work, I guess i wouldn't care what privacy/contractual issues I was breaking/causing. I would do SOMETHING to make it stop. 
 
That being said, I don't know how the grad student saw this happening and didn't kick his arse right then and there.
 
and the students protesting the firing? seriously? is football more important?

missy1102 · Nov 10, 2011

hi all,
 
agreed on all comments re: JoPa. its a fundamental breakdown of moral obligation in child protection from a major institution. how could JoPa, and the grad assistant sleep at night, knowing what they knew? it repulses me that they had knowledge and the power to stop further abuse and didn't. the grad assistant SAW sandusky sodomizing a little boy in the shower and RAN away? why the EFF didn't he pull him off him? bastard. those poor, poor boys will never live a normal life.. God bless them. i hope sandusky rots in hell.
 
i have a second opinion tomorrow with a sports med doc re: my left knee. remember the other day when i ran 1.5 miles after not running for oh, 3+ months? i could barely walk for the next 2 days. and i regularly get numbness and tingling sensation in the damn knee. so, yeah.
 
sobering post.
 
move on.

Auntie Moe · Nov 10, 2011

In the grad student's defense, I can't imagine what I would have done initially. Panic makes people do things they wouldn't expect...flight is a natural response. Can you imagine the phone call to his father? I would bet he could barely get the words out. I also bet he will never forgive himself for not beating the coach up right then and there.
 
I'm not defending the broader handling of the whole sordid event, I'm just saying, I do feel for him.

praecipua · Nov 10, 2011

In class when my kids aren't participating, I do the "Bueller? Bueller?" thing and some of them get it. Then, we they still don't respond, I tell them a story about my friend who takes a Rubix Cube to class and plays with it until someone answers his question. No one has asked me yet what a Rubix Cube is, but that can't be far away.
 
PSU: I agree with Brandy. If you witness something like that, step in that moment and put a stop to it and then report it to absolutely anyone and everyone who will listen and pester those who won't. The problem is, PSU isn't alone with these types of problems. Obviously, there was/is the Catholic Church, but many churches and youth organizations have these problems. They just don't make the national news. I'll bet (sadly) that the same lack of response happens all over the country but no one hears about it.
 
I need to get out for a walk tomorrow.

mmoonptdeux · Nov 10, 2011

Hi all - spent some time with one of my brothers I don't see as often and a couple of his kids yesterday. Kinda' amazing to think that I'll be clear across the country from all of them in a couple months. Got in a crossfit-style workout in as well - with all the running around I'm doing, I'm probably not going to be doing too much running, so to speak.
 
Ugh...it's like we need a med tent in here. Missy - wishing the best on your knee dx, Craney - continued good thoughts on your neck issue, and just general healing vibes to all. 
re: JoePa - pretty much in agreement with all that's been said. The SI.com piece that Timr linked was excellent
 
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Yeah, this I find almost as disturbing as the whole sordid affair itself. This quote I found in the NY Times just made me shake my head
 
"Paul Howard, 24, an aerospace engineering student, jeered the police. “Of course we’re going to riot,” he said. “What do they expect when they tell us at 10 o’clock that they fired our football coach?”"

Runninlaw · Nov 10, 2011

DH and I had a discussion this am about the grad student. DH was frankly shocked the GA didn't run over there and kick his ass. Or at least yell at the guy -WTF are you doing?! But I guess I can cut him more slack. First of all, there was no way in hell the kid was expecting to walk in and see that and I'm sure he was shocked and didn't know what to do. Second, Sandusky was a hero in that school. Not only would it have been shocking, but the kid was probably scared of the guy. Seeing that would certainly not make him less scary. Third, he was just a kid. As an almost 40 year old and parent, it is easy for me to say I would step right in - I probably would. But a 20 year old?!? No. I have no problem with him running away or him telling JoePa rather than the cops. What I am NOT okay is his apparent ability to forget about it. Sexual abuse can and does ruin people. Literally. It completely screws their lives up. These people are more than cowards for ignoring it. They are complicit in hurting kids too.
 
Enough on that from me.
 
Missy - I hope you get some good answers. Knee issues are scary.
 
Prae - good luck with the ongoing interviewing - glad all sounds positive!
 
KP - half way though! Glad to hear it. The next 3 weeks will no doubt be tough, but at least you are nearing the end of the line.
 
Theia - sorry about the sleep issues. I am a wreck when I can't sleep, so I can't even begin to imagine how you feel.

Craney - youch! Take care of yourself sista.
 
What else? I know I am missing a bunch of you...., so I'll just give you hugs ((((((((((30s - the whole darn lot of 'em))))))))))

runningINnyc · Nov 10, 2011

Mornin' all! Got out for another foggy morning run, 6.25 mi this time and some great conversation with a friend. The co-workers and I are heading out to Grimaldi's (very famous) for pizza today; tomorrow is our last day in the Dumbo (Brooklyn) office and we're doing it as a sort of "good bye" 
 
(((Missy’s knee, Craney’s back)))
 
Lots of good interviewing vibes to Prae
 
Amy - did you catch a breather yet?
 
Thanks again for all the great PF advice, I want to be super vigilant about this and get it under control before I start really ramping up my miles again.
 
eta QOD - no one on our kickball team gets my references from Meatballs <img alt="sad.gif" id="user_yui_3_4_1_8_1320940391625_162" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif"> ... or this one from Ghostbusters "Get her!" That was your whole plan, huh, "get her." Very scientific.

Auntie Moe · Nov 10, 2011

I am trying to write my annual performance review. Ugh.
 
this is what I'd like to write:
 
Accomplishments: 
<ul><li>I made it to work most days and didn't slap anyone</li>
<li>On average, I only cried once a week in the office</li>
<li>I managed to get parking every day</li>
<li>I didn't get fired</li>
</ul> 
Challenges:
<ul><li>Making it to work most days and not slapping someone</li>
<li>Not crying more than once a week in the office</li>
<li>Finding a parking spot when running late to work (see first bullet "Challenges")</li>
<li>Not letting on that I'm just skimming by (see last bullet "Accomplishments")</li>
</ul> 
Goals:
<ul><li>Don't get fired</li>
<li>Don't slap anyone</li>
<li>Don't get fired</li>
</ul>

Timr1 · Nov 10, 2011

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Better off Dead: "What a shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that." and "I WANT MY TWO DOLLARS!"
 
 
Say Anything: "I gave her my heart and she gave me a pen."
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Also from Say Anything: I don't want to buy, process or sell anything bought sold or processed.

cus · Nov 10, 2011

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Pardon me for delurking on this topic, but this post is exactly what I've been thinking about the GA and it's the first I've seen anyone else say it. But let me add this, the way I understand it, he called his father soon after and his father also told him to leave and come to the father's house. Are you kidding me? The Dad is a grown man and should have told his son to call the police and get that child away from there immediately.
 
 
And "Hi Everybody"
 
And QOD:
 
"Nobody puts Baby in a corner"
"Hello, McFly?"
"It's ain't the six minutes...it's what happens in that six minute" - vision quest

Timr1 · Nov 10, 2011

oh and, "There's no crying in baseball!"

Ailarie · Nov 10, 2011

Greetings all.
 
Wow.. we are an especially beat-up bunch lately. I hope everyone has some fast-healing magic coming their way!
 
I ran 2.5 on the Tm last night. Wanted 3, but decided to stop at 2.5, and now i'm glad that I did. The foot (not necessarily the ankle, but the whole foot) felt rather abused for the rest of the night. I even wondered if there was some swelling overnight, but it wasn't worth the effort to get out of bed, put on my glasses, and turn on the light to see. Of course, I noticed the left foot also feels pretty fatigued in almost the same way, so /shrug. who knows. I had planned to run 2.5 again tonight, but may just rest and try again tomorrow.
 
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You have a point that the grad student, being young himself, and witnessing a horrible act at the hands of his hero, probably had more input at once than his brain was ready to process. That being said, the father of said grad student should have followed up. The fact that he didn't do more is not at all acceptable. Granted, yes, I'm an adult as opposed to a kid, but if I ever witness something along those lines, I'm either going to jail, or the morgue, as I would not hesitate to beat the crap out of the offender. I may get my a$$ handed back to me, but that is irrelevant. People that abuse the elderly, children, the handicapped (mentally or physically), or animals - well, they have their own space in hell reserved. If I am able to give them a sample of what awaits them there.. so be it.
 
 
Qod: 16 candles "what's-a-happening, hawt stuff?". Keanu's "whoa" used in Bill & ted's excellent adventure. Few understand "Sanka.. ya ded" from Cool Runnings, but that's a hilarious back-and-forth thing between myself and my best friend who lives in Canada, as is (from the same movie) "Sanka. whatchoo smokin?" "I'm not smokin... i'm breathin!!!"

gatorbob · Nov 10, 2011

I think we're all pretty much in agreement on the PSU thing. I agree that I would cut the Grad Assistant some slack for not doing more right there at that moment. Some people might have the initial reaction of rushing over to help, and other people would have the initial reaction of running away. I have no idea what I would do if I were in that situation. So I don't fault him for that. It wasn't the best thing, but it's an understandable possible reaction. Then he called his dad, then he called Paterno. I don't fault him for those things. But after that... When nothing happened to Sandusky, this is where I start to have a problem. How could McQueary keep working with Sandusky? How could he see him still walking around the Penn St campus? Especially since (apparently) Sandusky was still bringing little boys to the campus! Sooner or later, I would think McQueary would have to realize that nothing happened as a result of his converstaion with Paterno. How in hell did he not follow up?!?!?
 
All I can think of is that McQueary was afraid his story wouldn't be believed. I mean, Sandusky was a well-respected member of the Penn State community, while McQueary was just a lowly Grad Assistant. If McQueary went to the police, Sandusky certainly would have denied everything. (Heck, he's still denying it now, from what I understand). McQueary didn't know who the young boy was, so it would've just been his word against Sandusky's. There were no other witnesses, and I assume McQueary had no idea that there was a police case involving Sandusky a few years earlier. Especially with an "innocent until proven guilty" mindset, would the police believe the respected coach or the Grad Assistant? McQueary was really in a no-win situation. Maybe he didn't "forget about" the incident. Maybe he just felt powerless to say anything that anybody would believe...
 
For Paterno, however, it's worse. First of all, unlike McQueary, he holds a lot more clout than Sandusky. And second, he would have been aware of the previous lawsuit against Sandusky. And thus he could have reasonable had a "where there's smoke, there's fire" mindset. It's really unforgiveable that Paterno didn't do more...

bard73 · Nov 10, 2011

RE: Penn State. I did read the grand jury report, and as RIL said, it is sickening. While I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, the allegations are very detailed and very similar. Some of the victims knew each other but not all of them did. I was telling Joe this last night: this did not start in 1994. Now that it is out in the open, I believe that more victims will come forward and we will find that this had been going on since the early days of Second Mile (late 70's I believe) and possibly before, if not the outright abuse then certainly highly inappropriate behaviors. It's the kind of thing that escalates over time.
 
The grad assistant was 28, not 20, and presumably an adult. That being said, he also came up in the Penn State system starting as a player, and this was one of his trusted coaches that he found doing this. It is becoming very clear that the culture there was very paternalistic beyond the level that most universities and athletics programs are. A grad assistant would be ranked very low in the hierarchy and in that set up, you are required/expected/demanded to take any issues to your superiors, who are then supposed to be the ones to take the action. That set up can be a protection for the lower ranked people but it can also mean that problems never get addressed and whistleblowers face incredible consequences. The problem here is that the alleged perp was a close personal friend of the person with the most actual power at Penn State, even if Paterno was not officially the highest ranked person in the organization. While this does not excuse the grad asst, now asst coach, from a measure of responsibility in the failure, I still say that the greater failure and responsibility was on Paterno and the top ranked university officials who did nothing upon being informed of this. I believe the firings, while likely done as damage control, are still appropriate in this context.
 
And if the statements in the grand jury report are true, that the university officials at least informed the Second Mile program of this, then that infuriates me (as someone who holds a masters degree in social work) most of all. University officials might be able to try and claim they did not know they were mandated reporters at the university level the way that K-12 school officials are (though with the degree that Dr. Spanier has, I find it horrific that he did nothing) but anyone associated with Second Mile certainly was and would have known it.

Can I get a "woot woot" for Thursday?

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