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I have a question about strength training, and Hally suggested I post it here, since there are certified personal trainers over here who also run marathons.<br><br>
Normally, I run on Tues, Wed, Thur, Sat, and Sun, and do light strength training on Mon and Fri. I usually do 7-8 exercises on those days, 3 sets of each, about half upper and half lower body, and some core work. The weighted squats, dead lifts, and lunges seem to leave me the most sore for 1-2 days afterward, enough to affect my runs. I never do all three on the same day because of the severe soreness that would follow, but usually do weighted squats/dead lifts on one day, and lunges on the other day. I do other lower-body exercises as well, but none that leave the residual soreness that those 3 do.<br><br>
I rotate through these same exercises every week (same reps, same weights), and have for a couple of years. Yet each week my glutes and hams are stiff and sore for 2 days after strength training days. Which leaves me with the question – why are my muscles not getting accustomed to these? Am I breaking down muscle tissue as fast as I am building it?<br><br>
I’ve heard that you need rest to build muscle, but they get 24 hours between the weights session and my next running session to rest, and most marathon runners only take one day off, not the two days I take off. I should say that I am running more than I have ever before, 51-56 miles/week, which may be a factor in my muscles not getting enough rest to regenerate. You can see my log at <a href="http://runningahead.com/logs/13e274008de34ecaba96df8fd84fc949" target="_blank">http://runningahead.com/logs/13e2740...96df8fd84fc949</a> if you like.<br><br>
I don’t want sore hams/glutes to get in the way of my marathon training, but don’t want to reduce the exercises that I think are the most valuable (i.e. to my thinking, if it hurts the next day I must be doing some good).<br><br>
Any suggestions?
 

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No suggestions for you, I just wanted to say hi.<br><br>
Weights, they're soooo heavy <img alt="wink.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/wink.gif"><br><br>
Nice to see you <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"><br>
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<b>Holly</b>, when's your day off? I mean complete day of rest. My first reaction when reading your schedule is that you're doing too much. You need to take at least one day off -- completely off. No recovery miles. No lifting. No yoga. Just rest.<br><br>
Can you combine some weight work with an easy running day? That would allow you to take one day off per week.<br><br>
Also, be careful of the "no pain, no gain" mentality. Are you sure you're doing the exercises properly? Using the right amount of weight? Are you warmed up before you start lifting?
 

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I found weight training very useful for the marathon, but I did not do any leg work other than what you get doing deadlifts. I especially found that strenghtening the shoulders, traps, chest and upper and lower back made the run easier. I also did a lot of ab work. For the legs I did hill runs. I'd hit the weights 2 or 3 times a week. I think it helped because it made it easier in the later stages to maintain good posture and upper body rhythm.
 

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<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Something I forgot to add is that my main purposes in strength training are:</span></span><br><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">1. Overall fitness</span></span><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">2. Balanced muscle mass and bone density retention</span></span><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">3. Injury prevention, especially knees</span></span><br><br><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';">Any other benefits to my running are sort of a bonus.</span></span>
 

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Holly<br><br>
While I believe in the benefits of strength training; I abhor weights <img alt="biggrin.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
really just popped in to say hi.
 

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Hi Holly!<br><br>
No personal trainer creds here, but I do regular strength training. Strength workouts leave me feeling tired, but they almost never make me sore, and certainly not for two days.<br><br>
Have you considered doing some different lower-body exercises? I can think of some that will help your running more than dead lifts and squats. But I don't know what your goals are.<br><br><a href="http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_1/a-new-approach-to-strengt.shtml" target="_blank">Here</a> are one trainer's ideas on strength training for runners.<br><br>
Do you stretch regularly?
 

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Hi, Holly<br><br>
Of course you know I'm not a personal trainer. FWIW, though, I agree with Theia and oldgraydog, esp. the point about lessening the weight workouts (on the legs) as you increase mileage.<br><br>
What about changing things up a bit? I know you aren't alone in doing the same exercises week in/week out over a long period of time, but maybe those muscles are rebelling at the mundaneness of the same old same old. I think it keeps things fresh to change a strength w/o every six weeks.<br><br>
Reading up on <a href="http://www.humankinetics.com/products/showproduct.cfm?isbn=9780880118514" target="_blank">periodization</a>, specifically as it relates to <a href="http://www.asimba.com/periodization.shtml" target="_blank">strength</a> training, may help too.<br><br>
There are lots of resources online, of course, for finding new routines. There is a great section here, The Training Station, where you can ask for exercises that target specific areas (again, Theia is most helpful there). Fredurie posted a link some time ago from <a href="http://www.runnersworld.com/video/" target="_blank">Runner's World</a> (click the "Training" tab) that I found quite helpful too.<br><br>
Hope your Boston training is otherwise going well. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Another thought. Are you doing core work? It's SO important for endurance athletes!!<br><br>
Oops! Old Gray Dog beat me to it. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Okay, while I was blathering on, you posted your goals. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif"><br><br>
In the name of balance and injury prevention, it's a good idea to strengthen and stretch your hamstrings, hips, and lower legs. You can work these muscles in ways that will benefit your running as well, and probably avoid the soreness that you are getting now. There are some ideas in the link I posted earlier.<br><br>
Here's a simple exercise to help stabilize your knees (it targets the vastus medialis). Stand against the wall with your knees straight, tighten your quads, raise one leg to 50 degrees or so, and point your toes to the outside. Hold the position for as long as you can. Switch legs and repeat. It only <i>sounds</i> easy. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Theia,<br>
Thanks for popping in, I had meant for Holly to post this over in the 24 Hour Gym hoping you and TJ would see it.
 

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Holly- Lots of good input here already. If you were my client, I would definitely use periodization on the lower body weights. When you are not actively training for a marathon, I would encourage you to focus on building muscle using heavier weights. When marathon training starts, I would reduce the weights and focus on Looooong sets of 2-3 exercises strung together to encourage the endurance aspects of distance running. An example might be: Dumbbell sit-squats (20x), followed immediately by 1 minute of bench step-ups, followed by dropping the dumbbells and finishing the set with maybe 10 plyo lunges (depending on fitness level, of course). As you progress to about 1/2 way point of your marathon plan, I would personally eliminate any weighted leg exercise and instead incorporate stairmill, hills, or body weight only exercise. when you are 3-4 weeks out from the race, no hills, no stairs, no any leg exercises.<br><br>
Also, incorporate some spin classes and use that time to focus not on going fast but on going heavy. PM me if you have more questions and I can give you more details!
 

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Thanks for popping in TJ <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Dennis - I'm running the full, but only as a training run. It correspondes with my last scheduled training run before Boston, so I'm just doing it long and slow, enjoying the view and the company (and the porto-potties and hydration stations).<br><br>
Theia - yes, I do core work at least 2 times/week, on my non-running days.
 
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