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I was bored today, and watched TV for a bit... the Senate hearings were everywhere. I found it a bit mind-boggling... what is the Senate doing investigating a private citizen? Last time I checked, HGH and Steroids are not banned by any law, statute, constitutional amendment or international peace treaty. It's only affected by the internal rules of the baseball league. Isn't this their problem??<br><br>
Then... this is an example of what happens when politicians do their work, ignoring science. Doping in sports is an easily verifiable action, which can be tested, and scientific proof can be shown. But no, those Senate guys have to do it the judicial bureaucratic way: Clemens' word against the trainer's word. Why not just stick the the scientific evidence. Players are tested randomly several times a year, and the results show up the next day. Why would we waste time debating whether the trainer's lying or not?
 

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Jay Leno said it best, LRR:<br>
A study funded by the Congress concluded that the Government spends too much time and money on useless stuff. The study took 4 years and cost $50 millions.
 

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Well, at the hearings they said something like consecutive MRI's could be a proof... Clemens said he did tons of MRIs and they didn't show any abnormal things.
 

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Notwithstanding the good points made in the original post...<br><br>
...I didn't like the fact that the hearings were on both FoxNews and ESPN at the same time! Made the TV kinda monotonous during my workout.<br><br>
I return you to your intellectual discussion now. <img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Umm, did those posts get deleted?<br><br>
Did I hear this morning that the trainer says he squirreled away syringes and bloody gauzepads? Hmmm, seems awfully strange that that just now comes out. From how many years ago? Sorry, I don't trust things like this. Similar to Armstrong's old mechanic.<br><br>
Who knows. Maybe as important, who cares? I suppose a lot of us....
 

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<br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">I agree that Congress getting involved in this stuff is a bit of overkill too. But, steroids and HGH are, and always have been, controlled substances. They are illegal to posses/use without a prescription from a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">licensed</span> physician. That’s where Congress comes in. Their concern is…and don’t shoot me because I’m only the messenger here…that there is a larger culture in baseball, and other sports, illegally using these substances. And, the affect their use by big-name athletes has on the youth of America. Of course they are now also investigating to find out who committed perjury by lying to Congress under oath.</span></span><br><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">The Sen. Arlen Spector investigation into the New England Patriots scandal…now there is something Congress has absolutely no business getting involved in. It may be against NFL rules to film your opponent’s signals, but it isn’t against any law.</span></span><br><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Dan</span></span>
 

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These are all publicity stunts. Doping is revealed the next day after a test. If it hasn't be discovered after a week, or a month, or a year, or several years, then it's a setup.<br><br>
A lot of studies said that HGH can help older people improve their health and extend their life. I'm not sure about steroids (never went out to buy them) but I know they're widely used in hospitals and at least recently they were totally legal in bodybuilding competitions.<br><br>
Since when is Congress' duty to regulate the impact of big-name athletes on the youth?? Are they some kind of moral police lately? As for investigating and reinvestigating until perjury is committed, that's the worst judicial ploy around. If you can't indict someone for something real, you keep investigating over and over for a few years, asking and reasking thousands of question, and eventually perjury will happen, because we don't have robot memories. Of course, it's perjury related to a crime that never happened...<br><br>
Oh well, corporate espionage is often investigated by federal prosecutors. There've been numerous such indictments over the recent years. You're right that it's not the Congress' business, since we also have a judicial branch to the Government...<br><br>
But you know, it's the Britney Spears syndrome: when your ratings are at all time lows, and decreasing, you do anything to get some publicity on TV, even if it's bad publicity.
 

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I think it is absolutely ridiculous that congress is getting involved in this.........puleeze, with the recession, war, healthcare issues, etc, they are spending time on this?<br><br>
Next, they want the NFL commissioner to come and hear about spygate...are you freakin kidding me?
 

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I think the Congress should also investigate the USAT restrictions on drafting, which are in violation with the international agreements of the ITU. It's affecting America's image around the world and it doesn't fit in a globalized world.
 

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I listened to a good portion of the hearing, and let me tell you that you and me and everybody else who thinks Congress has more important things to get involved in are not the only ones. Even many of the Congress men and women stated so during their turn to speak. They would start by prefacing that they really wished their colleagues in Congress would let this be and instead focus on more pressing needs, and then they'd say that because this has not been done that they might as well be productive and get to the bottom of the issue.<br><br>
I wish Congress would stay away, but let me also say that if Congress' prying continues to open dialogue on this issue throughout sports as it is doing, then maybe it's okay for this crap to continue. Because in the end, although Congress isn't solving the world's problems, they are solving a very big problem in professional sports that has far-reaching implications to our children. That is important.<br><br>
What I don't like is using one person to send a message. They did it with Marion Jones and now they're doing it with Roger Clemens. That is too bad, but it might also be necessary to get MLB and Players Union and Ownership to finally get serious about this and stop covering things up and protecting people.
 

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By the way, do you guys know that in European soccer, if a country involves the Courts or Government regulations in its soccer business, that federation risks suspension from European competitions? This is because they want to keep the sport away from Government bureaucracies.
 

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<br><br><span style="color:#000000;">Both true, when monitored by a doctor.</span><br><br><br><br><br><span style="color:#000000;">Not true. Not in the U.S. anyway. Most bodybuilding organizations just don't test for them. Bodybuilders go to other countries to obtain/use them where the substances are not as closely controlled as in the U.S.</span>
 

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Did you vote for Hillary on Super Tuesday?<br>
If not, did you vote in the Rep. or Dem. election?<br>
If Rep., do you mind sharing who you voted for and why?<br><br>
(And BTW, I am by no means making fun of you or setting you up... it's jus that I see you have very strong feelings and am very interested in learning your viewpoints. No obligation to answer, as I know this is a public forum. But the truth is, I tend to learn more about my own thoughts and where I am by picking the brains of those with strong feelings on ANY side.)
 

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they sound like my children<br><br>
No he didn't<br>
yes I did<br>
No you didn't<br>
Yes you did<br>
Nu-uh my wife did it<br>
Nu-uh<br>
Ah-hu<br>
Did too<br>
Did not<br><br>
nobody can get to the bottom of that
 

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Well, Thor, when the primaries started, there were 2 candidates from each party that I disliked: Hillary and Obama, McCain and Ron Paul. Looks like all 4 are still in the race, and 3 of them are frontrunners.
 
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