Arrogance

Buxtehude · Apr 1, 2011

"Atheist's complain that they don't have a holiday...but they do! They have April fools day!!!"
 
Some gal, three times removed from me, posted this on her facebook page. It showed up on my page, for some gosh-darned reason. I guess she's some friend of the wife of my cousin. This wife "liked" the post. My cousin's wife. My cousin.
 
Now, I've recently re-connected with my cousins. One is married to the ultra-evangelical wife, mentioned above. She doesn't work or have any job skills because her faith discourages it. I've enjoyed her, as a person, and find her delightful and poo-pooed my family's warnings about her. I even went to one of her church's twelve-steps support group events, just to explore what my cousin and his fundamentalist wife were doing with their lives. They were helping recovering addicts. Great! That's doing good! But then, many of the recover-ees recited homosexuality as an addiction they were recovering from, along with alcoholism and oh...crack cocaine. Etc. Uh. Ok.
 
Anyway, I flew off the handle today and replied to her random friend's post (which I didn't think I could do. It appeared to post, but I'm not certain. She's not on my friend list)
 
"Why do I have to read this typo-ridden and arrogant nonsense, from a Christian, no less? Blocked."
 
And then I blocked my cousin's wife. Shit. I really like my cousin! He's so lovely. I want to know him, his wife and his children. But I guess that's not going to work to well. She thinks I'm a fool. I'm pretty sure she'd consider a speedily fallen-away Catholic like me an atheist. It's a weird feeling when you realize a family member or friend sees you as a fool. Or lost to hellfire. Even during my most vehemently Catholic moments, I've never thought "Oh, you fools! I know better!" But when people asked me about faith stuff, I said I believed in God and described why.
 
Arrogance.
 
Which leads me to question my own arrogance.
 
Hi!
 
Bye!

fox-runr · Apr 1, 2011

I was staying with a relative and she had a member of her church come and talk to me, the person got all religiously on me, and before I knew it, he shouting " today is your birthday" 
"today you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior". I looked and said, I'm a confirmed Catholic. He told me that's all right Catholics aren't true Christians. I said, " I'm going to ask you to leave now". 
i don't like people that put down other people to raise their self-esteem. I don't have time for an entire religion that would do this

Buxtehude · Apr 1, 2011

I've been known to fly off the handle at arrogant atheists too.
 
I guess it's when I perceive arrogance that I go ape-shit.

Buxtehude · Apr 1, 2011

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I was staying with a relative and she had a member of her church come and talk to me, the person got all religiously on me, and before I knew it, he shouting " today is your birthday" 
"today you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior". I looked and said, I'm a confirmed Catholic. He told me that's all right Catholics aren't true Christians. I said, " I'm going to ask you to leave now". 
i don't like people that put down other people to raise their self-esteem. I don't have time for an entire religion that would do this</div>
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That's beyond awkward.
 
Your comment, "I don't have time for an entire religion that would do this," reminds me of a moment, not long ago, when the thought popped into my head, "wouldn't it be a relief to not have to defend my faith anymore? I would not have to explain why I was Catholic, despite my disagreement with its teachings on contraception and homosexuality. I would not have to live with this internal divide." To borrow from you, "I don't have the time" to live this conflict.
And with that, I felt such relief.
 
I'm not sure where I am with the whole faith thing. It may come back. I'm just enjoying this unexpected relief.
 
Weird!

fox-runr · Apr 1, 2011

Bux- 
I had the same problems, especially as I was a product of the "catholic way" and hearing my mother say "do you think I wanted this many kids". However, I don't condemn most of my Catholic teachings and I think it helped form the person that I've become, but I've enjoyed my long break. However, during my break I've managed to raise one child that is atheist and one agnostic, I like to think they are free thinkers, but then there is my secret desire to want them to believe in something...and maybe they actually do...

Grizzly · Apr 1, 2011

Yes, I identify.
 
There are sides to arguments where I just want to yell at both parties that they are raving loonies and are both wrong.
 
In the atheism vs. belief debates it seems as if either side sets up straw man arguments and debate them rather than listen to what is being presented. I have become apatheistic. I don't know and I don't care. That's not entirely true, but I think that anyone who claims to have the truth is a liar.

airehead · Apr 2, 2011

Those who know least tend to speak the most, and often at length.
 
 
"...nothing fosters ignorance more than one's own opinions..." S. Tepper
 
Just because one side of an argument is wrong, doesn't necessarily mean the other is right. Merton
 
 
 
Not every Christian is an ignorant jerk. Nor is every Atheist, nor Muslim, etc, etc.
 
As a Christian I have a boatload of questions, none of which have answers. Are there
 
Christians I don't like and am totally embarrassed by? Oh heck yes. Just as I am sure
 
I embarrass them.
 
I am here to learn from others, all the knowledge and wisdom they want to share. I soak it
all in. I am not here to instruct or impart. I am too fallible and too mortal.
 
 
I have learned that often the issues that cause the greatest divides within and without the church
are usually man-made edicts or "interpretations." Usually man tends to screw up where God already
had perfection.
 
Denominations tend to frustrate me as they often distract from God.
 
 
just my .02. Not trying to inflame.
 
 
I totally hate the "If you love God, pass this on" emails.
 
Really? Is God taking a tally of how many times I share your vapid email? Really?

Tech Tee · Apr 2, 2011

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Amen to that. <smirk>

Horrible Peanut · Apr 2, 2011

Buxy,
 
I loved this thread.
I miss you.
 
-HP

Buxtehude · Apr 2, 2011

What nice responses everyone posted.
 
I wish I hadn't snapped back at that random person. What good does it do? It feels good for a few hours, to be puffed up with fury. But that passes.
 
I really hope that I mellow with age. This self-righteous indignation that I show does more harm than good, I think.

Horrible Peanut · Apr 2, 2011

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I wish I hadn't snapped back at that random person. What good does it do? It feels good for a few hours, to be puffed up with fury. But that passes.
 
I really hope that I mellow with age. This self-righteous indignation that I show does more harm than good, I think.
 
 
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I think that's a stupid approach and that you're stupid for having it.
 
Ah. Now I feel better.
 
 
 
Oh wait- now I feel worse. <img alt="sad.gif" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/sad.gif">

Grizzly · Apr 2, 2011

Bux: A bit of pique now and then is healthy. This character below IS NOT you:
 
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airehead · Apr 2, 2011

I know, huh? Some people. lol. 

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Amen to that. <smirk>
 
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OldBaldHippie · Apr 2, 2011

Arrogant?...arrogant?...I'll tell you who's arrogant...those scrawny hipsters with their little hats and skinny jeans and smug looks...always judging me...now that's arrogance...<img alt="cussing.gif" id="user_yui_3_3_0_8_130177318523435" src="http://files.kickrunners.com/smilies/cussing.gif" style="width:33px;height:36px;">
 
 
 
 
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Grizzly · Apr 2, 2011

Don't trust anyone under 30.

Tech Tee · Apr 2, 2011

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 You're such an anti-hippy.
 
Gawd, can you remember that crap? I was just a kid, but I remember it clear as day. Don't trust anyone over 30. Sheesh.

kerfwango · Apr 4, 2011

Quote her the last line of Matthew 5:22
 
And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

GaReb770 · Apr 4, 2011

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by kerfwango <a href="/forum/thread/73273/arrogance#post_1992390"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-right:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-bottom:0px solid;"></a> Quote her the last line of Matthew 5:22
 
And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
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kerfwango · Apr 4, 2011

<div class="quote-container">Quote:
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by Grizzly <a href="/forum/thread/73273/arrogance#post_1991940"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border-bottom:0px solid;border-left:0px solid;border-top:0px solid;border-right:0px solid;"></a> Yes, I identify.
 
There are sides to arguments where I just want to yell at both parties that they are raving loonies and are both wrong.
 
In the atheism vs. belief debates it seems as if either side sets up straw man arguments and debate them rather than listen to what is being presented. I have become apatheistic. I don't know and I don't care. That's not entirely true, but I think that anyone who claims to have the truth is a liar.
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 The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. – Bertrand Russell

Buxtehude · Apr 4, 2011

Yes, I'm wise!
 
So very wise!

Arrogance

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