[ctjim]

Kudos to New Jersey for joining the civilized world !<br><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/nj.death.penalty/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/...lty/index.html</a><br><br>
Now, if only my state of Connecticut would have the guts to do this.....

 

[DogMom]

Are you trying to crash the server? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/boxing.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="boxing">

 

[ctjim]

"It is better to risk saving a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one."<br>
"It hath long since been observed that a man after he is hanged is good for nothing, and that punishments invented for the good of society ought to be useful to society. It is evident that a score of stout robbers, condemned for life to some public work, would serve the state in their punishment, and that hanging them is a benefit to nobody but the executioner" - Voltaire<br><br>
"My main objection to the death penalty isn't about trying to save anybody on death row. It's about, 'If this is a democracy and the government kills someone, then I'm killing somebody.' I object to the damage that it does to my spirit. It's really that simple." - Steve Earle

 

[ctjim]

This <i>is</i> supposed to be our home away from home isn't it ? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Very Happy">

 

[ctjim]

Here's what victims' families think about the death penalty:<br><a href="http://freenet-homepage.de/dpinfo/victimsfamilies.htm" target="_blank">http://freenet-homepage.de/dpinfo/victimsfamilies.htm</a><br><br>
a sample:<br><br>
"My brother was mugged for the cash in his pocket. Killing those we condemn does not make a safer world. By cranking the wheel of the cycle of violence we amplify it; we infect us all" - <b>Merida Blanco</b>, whose brother was murdered<br><br>
"The assumption is all too often made that all murder-victim family members want the death penalty. The horrible reality for those of us who have lost loved ones to homicide is that nothing that happens to their murderers is going to bring our loved ones back." - <b>Sharon Borcyzewski</b>, whose daughter was murdered in 1997, Arizona Republic, 4/12/2004

 

[intensebeet]

14 down, 36 to go. I'm proud of my home state.

 

[Chris the Wheeler]

Score another win for the criminals.

 

[intensebeet]

Fixed that for ya!

 

[ctjim]

Care to share any of those with the rest of the class ?

 

[ctjim]

I want justice done, and want people to pay for their crimes. I just don't believe that killing said person is an effective way to do that justice.<br><br>
I didn't say anything about supporting murderers or about setting them free. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/forum/images/smilies/roll_eyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll_eyes"><br><br>
As for the $$ cost associated with putting a person in jail for life v killing them, post some data that supports your claim.

 

[bap]

Mandatory abortion is the best way to both reduce crime and improve the environment.

 

[bap]

Killing people is a great way to teach people that killing is wrong.<br><br>
What does killing do besides let them off the hook?

 

[Diane95]

<a href="http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=168" target="_blank">Works like a charm, apparently.</a>

 

[Flounder]

There are things worse than death -<br><br>
Funny - I have very strong feelings on most subjects, but on the death penalty - I'm fine with the government deciding.<br><br>
It would be interesting to let the prisoner sentenced to life with no possibility of parole decide if he/she would rather get the death penalty.<br><br>
Which would you choose?

 

[Fionn mac Cumhail]

I'm with Reb...you fuckers love evil and hate babies....

 

[wyrillco]

You really see no reason to lock them up?<br><br>
Locking them up for life accomplishes the same thing as the death penalty. Keeping them from harming others.<br><br>
I'm usually pro-death penalty, but I feel like I'm fence sitting right now.<br><br>
But I think what you are saying above makes no sense. Should we not lock anyone up then, if we aren't going to kill them?

 

[Fionn mac Cumhail]

No dice, dead man....

 

[Fionn mac Cumhail]

I'm like this about corporal punishment.....if we're not going to flog vandals, why even arrest them? So they can play cards with their homies? Every cigarette they ante comes out of my child's mouth...

 

[ElDuderino]

How about if death penalty proponents spend a night in jail... that might convince them that jail isn't "letting them off easy"

 

[ElDuderino]

Well, from my point of view, having to decide which gang to join, constantly fearing being shivved or raped in the shower.... I'm not sure I'd think that was such a cherry deal. Ive worked in county jail medical clinics, and seen some crazy shit. And they're probably 0.001% as rough as the maximum security state facilities. There's no way, imho, that life in prison beats being executed.<br><br>
But, which is the worse punishment is sort of besides the point, anyway. We do ourselves a disservice as a society by continuing violence as a response to violence.