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<p>Is how much time I have until my first 50K.  I'm stressing a little over how to train, particularly how to address the next few weeks so they are not wasted...As background, I've been training all summer since I trained for that 15 mile trail race on July 10, plus I also ran a road half marathon on June 12.  My long run is 4 hours (16 miles) currently, not including the race which took me almost 4.5 hours on a very tough, hot course.  My weekly mileage varies between 25-35 depending on work, life, etc..but I don't miss my long runs hardly ever.  I also have been taking Spinning classes (last one will be 1st wk of August) twice a week.</p>
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<p>There is a training group for this race and they are following a plan like this one: </p>
<p> <a href="http://www.scrunners.org/csv/ultra.php?schedule=50K&month=10&day=31&year=2010&dow=6" target="_blank">http://www.scrunners.org/csv/ultra.php?schedule=50K&month=10&day=31&year=2010&dow=6</a></p>
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<p>If I follow this plan I wouldn't get back into the 4 hour range on my long runs until the end of next month.  I'd like to do the group long runs when I can get out there, but I would train by myself during the week.  Five weeks of reduced running between now and then seems like a long time to rest before ramping up those long runs.  This weekend I finished my run feeling like I could have done more.  I'm thinking of alternating weeks of reduced mileage and keeping my LR in the 4 hour range every other week as well as working on getting my Sunday run a little higher (currently only 4 miles) which would give me a higher mileage week prior to the start of this plan and the second week of the plan will be higher.  Will I regret not taking the full amount of time to dial things back before getting into the heavier weeks of this program?  It's pretty similar in a lot of respects to the one that Meri did for this site, except that it is shorter!  I don't want to overtrain...but I don't want to lose fitness either.  Thoughts? </p>
 

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<p>I may be a bad person to comment - I don't do training plans, the amount I run is entirely due to how I feel.</p>
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<p>I enjoy reading your posts on the "weekend" threads - because I love reading about other people's enthusiasm for the sport that I have fell in love with - your enthusiasm shines like a beacon. You therefore have one of the most important ingredients in the bag already.</p>
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<p>Some other important ingredients to get you to your first ultra finish - being stubborn, and a reasonable fitness base.</p>
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<p>If you are running 4 hours now, then you have the fitness base already. I don't know how stubborn you are.</p>
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<p>So, use your long runs to figure out nutrition and hydration, the gear you will carry and wear, run as far as you want to, and don't worry too much about what a training program says.</p>
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<p>I would bet that you could get a 50k finish tomorrow - your enthusiasm and fitness base will get you through.</p>
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<p>I'm probably not qualified to comment (but it's never stopped me before).  I trained up for my first 50K by running with friends who were training for a marathon. I didn't use a plan... just ran whatever they were running so it ended up being a typical marathon build. Nothing longer than 3 hours for long runs.  </p>
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<p>On top of that, I seem to recall the Pfitzinger book recommending that you stick with whatever miles you are doing -- if you're comfortable there -- when the start of a plan is easier than what you're doing now. When the plan "catches up" to your runs, then shift over. That keeps the timing/build up right. </p>
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<p>Finally the longest I ran before my first 50K was 4 hours (which was one of my two marathons, and nowhere near the 50K timeline). The last 50k I ran took me just under 8 hours. Honestly, after about 4-5 hours it all felt the same (mostly "where the hell is the next aide station!") I like the theory that consistency and overall time on your feet, not necessarily in one run, is important -- mainly because I still don't do runs much longer than 3 hours, especially in this heat!</p>
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<p>I'd say just run what you're running. If you can already 4 hours, you'll be more than fine. I agree with Jim -- you could run one tomorrow if it presented itself. Have fun! Enjoy the ride!</p>
 

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<p>I would try to get a 20-24 miler in there, at least once or twice, and you should be fine :)</p>
 

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<p>I am definitely enjoying myself.  And I've got the stubborn part in the bag :).</p>
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<p>It's tough for me to not have some sort of plan but if I think about it, it always gets modified anyway--things happen, that's just life.  It definitely makes sense to me to stick to at least what I'm doing now and not drop too far off of that.  </p>
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<p>I figure the first time goal is definitely to finish, preferably under the cutoff (9.5 hours).  This race is on trails that are not open to the public and not available even to paying customers that go to this place for camping, horseback riding, etc.. but they put this video out from last year's race:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2rbu7poB5k" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2rbu7poB5k</a></p>
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<p>It looks so pretty...but after looking at the elevation chart it may appear an easier course in the video than it actually is...lots of hills!  They can't get the video equipment to the tough parts!  But it's not much different than last week's race.  This is the 50K elevation. </p>
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<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/41594/width/1000/height/800/flags/" target="_blank"><img alt="50Kelev.jpg" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="12534" data-type="61" src="http://www.kickrunners.com/content/type/61/id/12534/width/562/height/158" style="; width: 562px; height: 158px"></a></p>
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<p>15 weeks is a long time.</p>
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<p>How do you want to train?  So many ways to get there!</p>
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<p>I would keep it simple and do a 60-90 minute hilly run during the week and a long run on the weekend.  Every other week, I would do a really long run 4-6 hours hilly if possible (or every 3 weeks) - flat if not.  Fill in your other running and cross training around these 2 runs.  Anything else that gets the legs strong is good.</p>
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