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#2451 of 6206 Old 09-25-2008, 08:33 PM
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Yep just like the guy on the right in this photo.

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That is effin' UGLY!!!
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#2454 of 6206 Old 09-26-2008, 07:22 AM - Thead Starter
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TGIFF...... I will be slipping out of school a little early this afternoon and heading to Mt Ascutney for a couple of days camping and volunteering in lieu of running..... good for the soul and this will fulfill the volunteer requirement if I go back next july for the 100... looking forward to the colours, I should try and remember my Kodak/Flip

have a great weekend people

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Enjoy and have fun camping in the rain. Say hi to SJ for me.

Those of you who have worn orthotics how long are you suppose to where them for. I forgot to ask the doc if they are just worn to correct my problems and then once fixed they are no longer needed.
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Gro..... I would be careful using the word flip, if I were you!cool.gif

Roly. You have the orthotics to even out imbalances in that "hunky" frame of yours. You have them for life, baby! Get used to it and welcome to the club. BTW. it may require resizing all of your shoes. My experience is that new orthotics in old shoes results in mucho blisters as the shoes cannot accept both the foot and the orthotic at the same time. A whole new fleet of shoes may be required.sad2.gif
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Roly, I do not know about all types of orthotics and about your special case. As far as I know, however, orthotics will not correct problems. Orthotics provide some support to the foot that too weak foot muscles fail to provide. This will avoid the injury resulting from the lack of support, but it will give absolutely no incentive to your foot muscles to become stronger (which would fix the problem). So, without any additional measures, chances are good that you will have to wear them forever. There are things, however, that you can do to strengthen your foot muscles. Among them is running barefoot.

In Germany, some people are worrying that orthotics are handed out far too easily. They cure the symptom (so patient is feeling better), they are easy to prescribe and they give a constant surce of income since the patient has to come back to get them renewed [In Germany, medical insurance will at least partially reimburse you if the orthotics are prescribed by a doctor). Last year, I attended a seminar of a orthopedist who also has written a good book about running (in the language of Goethe) and he had a lot to say about this subject.

That said, the last thing I want to do is to scare you away from your orthotics. There certainly is a place for them. Currently, I am wearing my orthotics on all of my runs. I am not sure, whether they are of any help to avoid my injury, or whether they are even a part of the problem (which is possible too), but for me this is not the time to fool around with this. Once I have established that I can run regularly run long distances without getting innjured, I will look into this matter again.

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Nope, orthotics won't correct, just enable you to run with less problems. I have orthotics and they make my shoes really heavy. On top of that, they give me blisters. I've resized my shoe already too ...

So for Ironman, I bought a regular size shoe and did NOT wear my orthotics cause I figured the blisters hurt more than my bunions ... I chose the lesser of two evils. Besides, I wanted to shed the extra weight ... necessary when performing the death shuffle.

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Merc, Ralf, SS. Thank you for the replies. I can asume I will be stuck with them for a while.

In all reallity the primary reason for the orthotics is to correct my hip/Pelvic problem. I'll get to my feet later. While I am in a standing position I have a neutral stance normal and symetrical. However, the moment I start in a forward walking/running motion that all changes where my center of mass shifts slightly to the left side and my mid-section curves to the left side. The doc verifid this both by visual and having me walk over a sensor pad hooked up to a computer. The computer sensor confirmed a greater amount of weight distributed to the leftside. The reason (In theory) that I am having problems with the right side is that it is having an additional work load of trying to pull back the weight distribution back in center. Somehow by adding a toe lift on the right orthodic it should be able to correct this problem with a probability of 80%.

My feet on the other hand is quite interesting. Having very high arches my feet are very rigid and I am a super supinator with no pronation at all (no shock absorption. The problem is worse on the right foot were I tend to land heavily on the ouside of my foot (that might explain why the ankle on that side swells up all the time). Plus he noted that I have bowed tibias and the start of a bone spur on my left heel. **** I feel like a bloody caveman.

Maybe I shold just lift weight and do steroids drink beer and photograph you guys at races.
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Roly: How about taking up marathon swimming?

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No! Rowing or cycling yes.
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Ralf: Alleluia. If only there were safe places to run barefoot around here...

Roly: No one hated the water more than me, 2 years ago. Believe me. But I'm drawn towards the things I am worst at. Guess it is the challenge of it.
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I grew up in the water as a kid, I had my fun. Now I'm just afraid of the oil slick I'll leave behind after eating all those Italian sausages.huh.gif
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Hey Roly, don't write off running yet! Give the orthotics a chance, do your physio diligently, and get out to walk or hike - maybe even head into the mountains in the winter.

It might be a very long time before you can push during a run, but it will come back to you if you take it slowly.

My brother had massive problems with his knees and hips a few years ago and he wasn't sure if he could cycle anymore. He was racing at a respectable level, probably around Cat 2, for many years in Japan and Montreal, so not riding anymore was a major change in lifestyle. Fast forward to about one year after he first saw a sports doctor and he was riding healthy again. A year after that, he was riding harder and with less pain/discomfort than ever before.

For my brother, the whole process from diagnosis to full recovery was probably somewhere between 18 to 24 months.

Hang in there... I want to run the trails with you, not see you hiding behind a camera tbrnk.
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KingZ:...talking about hiking, I've received an invite from a guy who wants to do a weekend full Prez traverse (60km) sometime in October. Interested ? It would be a good introduction before any winter venture....
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MLC, that sounds awesome, but I'm moving in October and will be pretty busy.

If I took a whole weekend to play in the mountains, I think I would have all my weekends free after my wife divorces me and takes my kids away... our kids.
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There are a couple of more or less expensive solutions to this problem:

a) Minimalist running shoes (e.g. Nike Free 3.0, or Vibram Five Fingers)

b) Diving shoes. These neopren shoes fit like gloves and protect your feet very well (ok, if your neighbors see you running in diving shoes, your reputation might suffer, but in most cases it's not the shoes but the running which will get tot them. Also, I believe to remember that you tend to run before normal human beings have opened their eyes. So no problem on that side.

c) Running on the grass of a playing field inside a track (not to be recommended when there is football training. Football, not soccer!)

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Chops, next year we might plan to go to Killarney Park. There is a most beautiful 100 km hiking trail. And DR will probably join us if I tell her that it is well known that you get the world's best fish and chips in Killarney.

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I wouldn't recommend running barefoot in a park in Quebec. I did that in my 20's and jumping up to catch a frisbee I landed on a sharp piece of broken beer bottle. Almost cut my toe off and yes you guessed it, my right foot.

Follow your nose and not my toes. Hehe. biggrin.gif

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Did I hear fish and chips?!?

Yeah I agree with not running barefoot in parks anywhere for that matter... Stupid kids drinking in parks... and those beer milers who leave their trash around...

Seems that anywhere there are humans, you are likely to find broken glass. Even at the beach this summer I was careful.
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Me too, I agree that running barefoot in a park might have negative side-effects. In my pot, however, I wrote "playing field inside a track". I was thinking of some place where organized sports teams do their training. I believe that these teams will make sure that there is very little broken glass around.

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Mars, where are you? I need more hill training.

Tonight I miserably failed on my tempo-run. For the first time, I ran on the trails behind Laurentian's campus. Nice sunny evening, very beautiful scenery. So far, so good. All went well until I entered a new trail segment called "The wall". I didn't think about the name for about 50 m, after which I hit full speed into the name-giving part: A sharp ascent. Not very long, but steep. And I have to admit that I failed. I couldn't make it without walking. sad2.gifsad2.gifsad2.gif Where did all the hill training go? confused.gif Or was it since I tried on a Friday (we all know that only Thursday is the right day for hill running) I have to work on this. This wall must fall.

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Hey KZ,

I have been thinking about you wrote all morning and I will wait until the orthotics come in and have a chance of hopefully correcting some of my problems. I knew that I was not geneticly gifted for speed but the state of feet and hips may prove also that I'm not biomechanically suited for running. For now I want to go back to lifting weights for a little while in the hope of reving up the old metabolism and getting rid of that spare tire around the waste. I'll definetly keep up the spin bike and rowing to maintain some sort of cardio. Hopefully i would like to run at least the half marathon in Val-Morin next year.

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Roly, may I give you one word of caution from my own experience: Think smaller. Your are dreaming about running a very difficult half-marathon (trail-running has a lower impact, but the uneven surfaces can also lead to injury) again. This might be too much. I made this kind of mistake. For a long time, I believed that I just had to wait a couple of weeks to heal my injury and than I could go for a full or at least a half again. It took me nearly two years to figure out that it is not going to happen this way. I finally accepted that I have some weaknesses which won't go away by pushing myself over the limit again and again. Since then, I am trying to overcome these weaknesses by staying below the limit and using a strict zero-pain policy. This was extremely hard at the beginning. Going out for a workout during which I ran less time than it took me to shower afterwards was frustrating to say the least [BTW, thanks to everybody in this forum for their support and not making to much fun of me]. And again and again I had to fight against the urge to make plans for longer races. However, I managed stay clear of these temptations, stuck to my beginner's 5k plans, and remained injury free (at least concerning my tibia). I still hope that I will be able to run long distances (on trails) one day. But I will only get there one step at a time. What keeps me going is the fact that I see progress. Small baby steps, but undoubtedly progress.

You might not be biomechanically or genetically gifted for running. Neither am I. This does not mean necessarily that we can't run. It might mean simply that we have to increase our volume slower.

I hope that both of us will chase Grommit one day together. Just my 0.02 €.

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Ralf, you are a wise man, and have gone back into training "smartly". I agree, some of us are not gifted to run, me in that bunch, but we still do because we love it.

Hope to run again with you one day, even if it's a very slow 4-5k waddle. That's where I'm at these days too ... taking it easy smile.gif I've done my season.

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